tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post5507190582226847847..comments2024-03-13T16:51:19.256+05:30Comments on babus of india: 7th Pay Commission: Should other Central services officers get an IAS salary?BoI Teamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13245810347655135358noreply@blogger.comBlogger107125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-52836076801067375922018-12-25T11:52:47.319+05:302018-12-25T11:52:47.319+05:30I read that Post and got it fine and informative. ...I read that Post and got it fine and informative. <a href="https://www.fiverr.com/maqsoodiqbal/give-45-dofollow-manual-blog-comments-links-under-obl-42" rel="nofollow">mix dofollow links</a><br />Alex Halexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04296612527818469871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-51197185641197571902016-07-07T23:56:42.804+05:302016-07-07T23:56:42.804+05:30I know its an old thread. But the logic given by s...I know its an old thread. But the logic given by some ias officers that their service should receive more rank just bcz they scored better marks in an entrance is stupid . Its a logical fallacy in itself and i can site 10s of reasons why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-54875213119912693452016-07-07T21:34:33.525+05:302016-07-07T21:34:33.525+05:30HAHAHA nice reply . Civil service is for serving t...HAHAHA nice reply . Civil service is for serving the public not to become rajaoptimisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03881115289001967681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-56385508412572101092016-07-07T21:32:44.307+05:302016-07-07T21:32:44.307+05:30HAHAHA Awesome reply. Civil services is for servin...HAHAHA Awesome reply. Civil services is for serving the public not to become a rajaoptimisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03881115289001967681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-50608643234287094762016-01-26T22:57:31.814+05:302016-01-26T22:57:31.814+05:30Frankly your post shows a very deep understanding ...Frankly your post shows a very deep understanding of the IAS abilities for a person of your stated background. It would be appreciated if you could give your reasons for arriving at this conclusion. I have interacted with variety of IAS fraternity. Some not corrupt. But to frankly tell you they carp at taking bold decisions due to their lack of understanding of the issues they lord over. What out nation requires in domain experts who know what is good for their department not some generalist who want to while away their time. That's the reason our nation is in the state it is. All IAS are not so called cream. Identify the cream promote them let the rest of rifraf retire. Let the policy matters be experts in their fields as in US and other first world countries. If these IAS are so good compete for the top spots in the ministries especially at the secretary level where policy matters have to be decided. Only domain experts can develop water tight progressive policies,, not some generalist with good command our english. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-17635093450814838502015-11-11T12:41:25.133+05:302015-11-11T12:41:25.133+05:30Nice logicNice logicabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832932095800304314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-58807814293079676732015-11-04T15:50:09.104+05:302015-11-04T15:50:09.104+05:30My dear friend, the rush behind IAS is not because...My dear friend, the rush behind IAS is not because of its higher pay, but because of the nature of the job according to once likes. If a person has an aptitude for a particular kind of job then he/she try for it. If it's otherwise they would be least bothered about it. There are so many candidates who've opted IPS/IFS/IRS as their first choices such people are not fools to give another try for IAS. Many Forest service officers settle down in their service without bothering to try for IAS because it's their like. Of course there are so many candidates like you who believe that IAS is a better pasture and keep trying for it. Every job has its own importance and nature. If you argue that IAS should get a better pay for its nature then I would suggest that a Soldier in an army should be paid more and should get more perks coz he works at the cost of his life. Do you think your service in anyway greater than his? Obviously you'd say no. When all services are recruited at the same level then why there must be any disparity among such services during the course of their respective tenure. Tell me how can you justify in an IAS officer becoming a revenue secretary over an IRS officer? Prior to it such officer would've been a Sec in some fisheries dept all of a sudden you become Rev S ec sit for two and get transferred to done other dept leaving the state of affairs on an helter skelter. Is this fir you are seeking a better pay over the other services? People are crazy behind IAS because of their colonial mindset and because of the colonial legacy attached to the office of the Collector/DM. Once they get into the service they realise that it's another job but with more public interaction.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09257985688504805181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-10518573952988097442015-08-20T00:18:54.615+05:302015-08-20T00:18:54.615+05:30what's that suppose to mean? that a couple of ...what's that suppose to mean? that a couple of IAS officers are corrupt? <br /><br />did u really expect an entire service to be so clean and blameless? now that will be a first for the world! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-23220967310881322622015-08-15T18:18:45.031+05:302015-08-15T18:18:45.031+05:30Joint Income Tax and CID Raids on IAS officer in B...Joint Income Tax and CID Raids on IAS officer in Bengaluru.<br />http://www.bangaloremirror.com/…/R…/articleshow/48488060.cms?<br />http://indiatoday.intoday.in/…/rs-4.37-crore-…/1/458811.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-83260833394248991342015-08-08T19:06:45.138+05:302015-08-08T19:06:45.138+05:30this happens to be true of any civil service. u th...this happens to be true of any civil service. u think all ips officers are qualified to be police? all revenue officers are also equally qualified --- but that its only the UPSC toppers who are unqualified? its a rather cute logic don't u think --- the better u do in upsc exams and get urself the ias, the less qualified for that post you are? ;) <br /><br />//Choice of service depends upon the interest of individuals.//<br /><br />still doesn't answer my question: if all services are equal, why did these precious talents quit their equally good service to join another? and not just others but one - the ias? <br /><br />see that i'm not talking about exceptions here. not just they, most officers from other services continue to prepare for ias. saying the allotment of service is "according to their interests and temperaments" rather than according to their aptitude, reminds me of that man who, when asked by a foreign analyst why so many indian footballers play only in india but never in premier leagues, replied, "its because we indians opt only for national games!" <br /> <br />as someone said, "an elephant with a trunk is a miracle - but all elephants having trunks, now that's a plot!" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-19913868426967153662015-07-28T14:14:40.538+05:302015-07-28T14:14:40.538+05:30Choice of service depends upon the interest of ind...Choice of service depends upon the interest of individuals.<br /><br />IAS are not supreme.<br /><br />Yes, it is true that they are close to the law makers. They make favour of themselves on the cost of others.<br /><br />But remember that talent should always be promoted. <br /><br />Field should never be criteria. This policy discourages the talent of others, which is not correct.<br /><br />Everyone should be given equal opportunity. I have personally seen some of the IAS who even don't deserve to the position. Just because of the time they are enjoying the position. <br /><br />I have also seen some of the people in middle management from other services who take the responsibility, and they have full potential for higher post. But just they are non-IAS, they suffer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-16634817942339569482015-07-16T15:37:42.558+05:302015-07-16T15:37:42.558+05:30an unbelievable 6 of the first 10 toppers of this ...an unbelievable 6 of the first 10 toppers of this year's CSE are erstwhile IRS officers who decide to opt for the IAS - which is a record in itself (although since 2002 all toppers have consistently opted for ias).<br /><br />if the claim of service equality is clearly true, are these 6 new (retd) IRS officers clearly delusional? did they not know the services are all equal? could these toppers have been crackpots for not seeing the light? is it possible these bright young minds are actually dumber than imaginable? how many young ips, irs, ies, ifos, iaas, and other central officers are still out there preparing for May exams in the hope of getting the ias? perhaps 90% of officers still with attempts left? any of them among us here by chance?<br /><br />or could it be that the IAS is indeed truly different and premier, and everyone here pretends that it is not? cud it be that this service is, after all that's said and done, truly unique and special, above the rest? and everybody, deep down, knows it?<br />why wud an SP of a district opt to give the exam again and prefer to be in the IAS though this makes him 5years junior? how many other central service officers here will jump to turn leaf so fast to become an IAS officer - if only given the opportunity? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-64175747189293809042015-06-04T19:38:39.152+05:302015-06-04T19:38:39.152+05:30I think everybody is missing woods for the trees. ...I think everybody is missing woods for the trees. Even if you get IAS pay, it's peanuts when compared with other corporate jobs or even public sector jobs. Ask for perks rat heron than just salary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-41971120496035783562015-05-17T15:00:27.171+05:302015-05-17T15:00:27.171+05:30Well, I don't know which power and money most ...Well, I don't know which power and money most of the people claim to give it to IAS. <br />If you think the entire lot of IAS is happy with their lives, .. you're wrong. There are plenty of unhappy cases. There are many cases where IAS officers left the service. Ex:- Nilesh Londhe, Maharashtra cadre.<br /><br />Now, my reply to the one who claimed that Mech or Civil Engrs from IIT cannot claim salary at par with Software Engrs. I'm a Mech Engr from IIT Delhi, .. currently working in Alberta, Canada in Oil & Natural Gas Co. I'm drawing an initial ctc of $1,90,000 p.a which is not offered to most of the Software professionals in Palo Alto. <br />So, ... it is the calibre of the individual and not the conventions everytime.. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-28762462105227606022015-05-15T11:49:33.323+05:302015-05-15T11:49:33.323+05:30The generalist claiming to be able to perform spec...The generalist claiming to be able to perform specialist functions as he is trained to do so is akin to a neurosurgeon trying to perform a cardiac operation stating that he studied human anatomy during his MBBS days!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-74324614613406380302015-05-15T11:26:25.251+05:302015-05-15T11:26:25.251+05:30I am a clerk in a Central Govt. office for the las...I am a clerk in a Central Govt. office for the last 30 years. I too was a strong IAS-aspirant till I crossed the age limit. After going through randomly all the views published, I would like to express that one should enjoy the job he or she gets without any influence or bribe in the life. Though the system in the country is not completely reliable for the honesty and sincerity, life can be enjoyed fully with whatever we have. These comparisons of marks, facilities, perks and places etc. will only result in un-healthy and un-wanted analysis rather enjoying the life with whatever you deserve. Money and facilities are not the criteria to have a peaceful life. I would like to mention a person as an example who was selling tea from building to building in Bombay by his bicycle during 1970. One day when he was supplying tea from his kettle to the officers/staff of Central Silk Board, Bombay there was an urgent need of stenographer. As this tea vendor had passed the exam, he was taken to the job Jr. Stenographer on temporary basis. The luck of the keralite tea vendor turned, he was personal assistant to 1or 2 IAS officers of Kerala cadre and got elevated to the posts of Asst. Director, Dy. Director and even Joint Director (Admn.) within no time and ruled department more than any IAS officer. He had a heaven in Central Silk Board, Bangalore without any transfer instead he shifted the Head Office of CSB from Bombay to Bangalore. All IAS officers posted as Administrative Heads were his puppets and still his ruling is being continued even after his retirement of 3 years as an Administrative Consultant with same facilities and perks that of a Minister. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-14045140977806563642015-05-13T15:19:33.039+05:302015-05-13T15:19:33.039+05:30The edge for IAS is founded on the premise that th...The edge for IAS is founded on the premise that they scored few more marks than the officers of other services. In case this logic is appropriate for application, then the salary of IPS should be more than that of Group A officers and within Group A also, Revenue Officers should be more than railways and so on.<br />Actually the IAS is in extra-ordinary enjoyment of perks and facilities because they are seated in decision making positions in this regard.<br />It is actually a case of a blind distributing alms to its own kind.<br /><br />Suresh DalalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-10923482315824033782015-05-04T03:41:59.644+05:302015-05-04T03:41:59.644+05:30truetrueAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-83618649324325987922015-04-11T16:46:03.882+05:302015-04-11T16:46:03.882+05:30^Apolgies for the many misstypes. I was using a ph...^Apolgies for the many misstypes. I was using a phone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-30951516283277948182015-04-11T16:04:47.045+05:302015-04-11T16:04:47.045+05:30The gripers on this forum and those who say they c...The gripers on this forum and those who say they can man generalist posts as well haven't come to terms with a simple fact:They just didn't't make it.<br /><br />Even in the private sector, the CEO is almost always an MBA and not a technology guy or any other specialist. We shouldn't coinfuse role with function. A technology guy may be extremely Important in a tech company, but the final decisions are still taken by a guy who has business sense, is a good communicator and inspires:the CEO. The CEOs skills may be more replaceable than the engineers but the CEO is still the boss for the good of the organization Because he has years of experience in balancing decisions and people and interests.<br />Everyone wants to be a ceo because society associates the ceos positition with power. However, the really good CTOs will tell you that they are meant to be CTOs and are proud of it! Though they don't get the final shot, they are more immersed in their work and it excites them. Similarly, the gripers on this forum should be more excited by their specialist roles and be proud of them rather than hankering after generalist positions because society deems them more glamorous.<br />Lastly, if they wanted to join the ias but couldn't because of rank, too bad, that's life! It was a level playing field. At the time of joining, you knew that Ias is administrative(the name communicates it) whereas the other services have a specialized role in their names themselves. In the Ned this generalist vs specialist debate is a false dichotomy. Everyone is a specialist. IAS officers specialize in administration which by itself is a complex task with its own skills just as CEOs specialize in making administering an organization well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-78134557232621592562015-04-11T15:47:01.211+05:302015-04-11T15:47:01.211+05:30I am a recent graduate of IIT Delhi and currently ... I am a recent graduate of IIT Delhi and currently not planning to enter the civil services. I have family members In the I AS as well as other services. I think that most I AS officers are confident enough in their position and abilities to not waste their time here. It's the ones who are envious who come here often and I feel compelled to intervene when I read the torrent of jealous, uniformed thought. The I AS officers will approach the PM or PMO if they have a genuine demand, and not this forum. Though the civil services are slowly losing their sheen, today, if there us one service that attracts the best, it's the IAS. I am also currently doing a fellowship with thegovernment and have interacted extensively with IAS officers, PSU guys and other services. Generally, There is a HUGE difference between IAS and the rest. of course there are exceptions but in terms of sheer probability, The I AS guys are confident in their abilities and are hence approachable. The other guys are all about showing how important they are in their pitiful feudalistic structures. The IAS officers are more professional and have greater cross understanding of issues and have greater independence to air their views. Unlike other services where the word of the boss is final, I AS officers know that they can courageously make their views known and the PMO/cabsec can back them up if they have a principled stand. If it's primacy is not maintained, you will have the luddites in other services manning IAS posts as well. If you want the cream of the country to join governance, retain the IAS Must remain the top interface between the political executive and the machinery of governance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-64571395213827213562015-04-10T23:22:02.056+05:302015-04-10T23:22:02.056+05:30These IAS fellows keep commenting here posing as n...These IAS fellows keep commenting here posing as non-civil servants and private sector employees. They support IAS here in the guise of private sector guys. Cheap tricks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-86066608921031588632015-04-10T11:15:12.667+05:302015-04-10T11:15:12.667+05:30Why did the IIS officer join the IRS? I passed out...Why did the IIS officer join the IRS? I passed out from a top college in India recently and know the mindset of those who enter the civils. People are attracted to the I AS because of the power and the oppurtunity to earn name and fame. The sad truth is that today people join the other services as a consolation prize and for much greater under the table gains.<br />The IRS is one of the most pervasively corrupwt services in GOI. Don't take my word for it. Ask any CA about this. They feed on other peoples corruption and that is why their pervasisve corruption is not part of the public discourse and do not get associated with big name scandals. I am sorry but like Singapore, there must be a culture of meritocracy for good governance. the IAS should in fact be restored the privileges that other services have slowly taken. Their primacy should be restored and their paysca le should be a token amount higher to break the siloed nature of our government with officials unwilling to go to each other's meetings. As long as the quality of politicians doesn't improve, the IAS must remain primus inter pared at the top for holistic decision making and to break down the walls of government. It's a good thing that the current PM understands this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-73175930351357228352015-03-16T18:48:00.276+05:302015-03-16T18:48:00.276+05:30Agreed. There can be discrimination on reasonable ...Agreed. There can be discrimination on reasonable grounds. By this logic you are demanding higher pay for IAS over IRS, then give higher pay to IRS over Indian Postal Service or Indian Information Service. Many officers left other Group A Central Services to join IRS. They have wasted many years of service. So seeking pay parity afterwards could be unfair to these IRS officers who had Preferred to waste years and left their other Services to join IRS. While filling application, we give preferences for 24 odd services. So there should be gradation/difference in pay between all these services then by your logic. And is there a gradation or ranking of services given by Constitution or Parliament or UPSC. Toppers do not always prefer IAS. There are some who preferred IPS or IRS over IAS. What about their salaries? Shouldnt they be given salary equivalent to IAS? The preferences are not always same. Some may prefer IPS or IRS over IAS, some IAAS over all, some, Customs over IRS, some IDES over IIS, etc. So is it IAS and rest? No it is about 24 different services. We are comparing between two or more Group A services here not between Group A and Group B. Group B are recruited by SSC not UPSC. For inter-service coordination between services including IAS, why should IAS coordinate. Why not a non-IAS. You IAS guys are not coordinating here. You are promoting yourself. Ask some non-civil servant to coordinate then. Please do not put forward skewed and outdated arguments in your favour Mr. IAS babu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-9199448735098452322015-03-16T18:10:22.735+05:302015-03-16T18:10:22.735+05:30The demand for pay parity is obviously emotive iss...The demand for pay parity is obviously emotive issue but lacks sound reasoning. First, it is well settled principles of law that there can be discrimination on reasonable grounds. In the instant case, the discrimination is based on the cut off marks in the common competitive exam. But Cut off marks also differentiate Group A from Group B services. So if it is a reasonable differentiator in case of Group A & B, then why not in case of IAS vs IRS? Secondly, nature of service is different each having its own advantages and disadvantages. These are well known in advance to all the candidates and they choose their services based on their considered preferences and merit. Seeking pay parity afterwards could be unfair to those who had preferred to waste years and left their IRS jobs to join IAS. Hence any parity now could be implemented from fresh batches only. Lastly, discrimination is very much needed to have "first among equals" for better inter-departmental and inter-services coordination. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com