tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post1075617920176336906..comments2024-03-13T16:51:19.256+05:30Comments on babus of india: A department, 4,200 IRS officers, an IAS boss & half cooked platter of factsBoI Teamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13245810347655135358noreply@blogger.comBlogger255125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-62621373060731812092016-02-21T10:10:27.270+05:302016-02-21T10:10:27.270+05:30Lets start this debate again. What say readers ? A...Lets start this debate again. What say readers ? A debate between DRs and PRs is long overdue !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-11787455266115077132016-02-07T11:13:50.523+05:302016-02-07T11:13:50.523+05:30I wish somebody to enlighten how we are not able t...I wish somebody to enlighten how we are not able to achieve want we want, with the present set up? Is the Secretary comes in officers' way in conducting survey and searche? Let me put some suggestions how to improve the stature of the department in the eyes of the public. a. Minimise complaints about Refunds; b. Limit scrutiny to bigger issues in AIR other than disallowance out of car, telephone, etc; c. To be liberal in granting lower TDS certificates; d. Internal audit, recovery, ITAT,etc wings to be stronger; e. 100% representation by AOs before CIT(A)s, in assessments done by them; f. More surveys per unit of AOs; Apart from effective supervision by senior officers, more study by them of business conditions of their respective areas and information available with other departments, and not sitting only in the offices, including outside tours; Be liberal in staying demands till decision of 1st appeal and in requisite cases upto 2nd appeal <br />Let people demand in financial scams that the case may be investigated by income tax department and not by CBI as is presently demandedSNBhargava Chief Commissioner of Income tax(Ex)http://gmail.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-54415541034500921062016-01-03T22:25:53.710+05:302016-01-03T22:25:53.710+05:30Good comment
Good comment<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743256070616662962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-20931212873198484242015-10-30T11:49:34.314+05:302015-10-30T11:49:34.314+05:30Does IAS cadre is outdated on the scale of time. T...Does IAS cadre is outdated on the scale of time. Todays era is evidence based decision making era. IAS are generalised cadre and nation needs experts and specialists. <br />If IAS are so much capable then why no scheme implemented completely to citizens? Why constitution is not implemented properly?<br />several questions can be explained in single answer that is administrative failure. Before we declare fail state change the administrative philosophy of average and generalized administration. <br />How many IAS actually come for service and how many due to glamour money and authority? <br />So IAS training manufacture computer programmer , economist, health experts, forensic experts, tax policy experts, education experts, researchers and scientists thousands of branches of science. <br />What can IAS do which can be a rocket science? <br />Scrap IAS cadre and rebuild it on the specialization based. <br /><br />One amazing question : <br />how can a Home department posted IAS can be transfered to finance? And how he will understand how financial market parameter's dynamics behaving? how stochastic process can be used to understand it and how to control, which one to settle, to settle the system at given level?<br />May be it is complicated.<br /> Ok <br />simple one <br />what is relation of inflation with growing economy? And does inflation may used to show fake growth in economy?<br />does any economy may grow with zero inflation? If yes then why and if no then also why? <br />Have any finance secretory ever read DAS CAPITAL. <br />how many IAS reads research papers to understand the changing basics in their departments business? <br />Do we know game theory, queueing theory, optimization theory, LPP, big data, prediction modeling, decision theory. Inventory management (maths aspect) , fuzzy decisions, data analysis and its application, statistics and many more essentials to be efficient management of administration. <br />If IAS are not train for above skills list they are outdated. <br />And selection (IAS exam passing ) criteria is not randomize but it is unreliable. So we can not say exam is tough, we can say it is uncertain. Reliability says that what is possibility of selection in a attempt. As some one selected and he decided to attempt next exam too. Then what will be probability to get selected in second successive attempts. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-49061169141078835362015-10-30T02:13:33.551+05:302015-10-30T02:13:33.551+05:30If the CAs are so suitable for IRS, why don't ...If the CAs are so suitable for IRS, why don't they take UPSC exam by opting their own subject Accountancy. Welcome to IRS through that channel. Why not this one ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-21229861554467398262015-10-30T02:09:07.673+05:302015-10-30T02:09:07.673+05:30This is a reply to the comment citing examples of ...This is a reply to the comment citing examples of IRS's weakness. Your comment shows that - <br />1. Your mentality is still of jungle laws where damage inflicting ability defines supremacy. <br />2. Even if you were correct, Politicians treat IAS/IPS like...idont want to use the word. So doesnt that subjugate the IAS/IPS.<br />3. So many instances of politicians being raided and summoned have been conveniently avoided by you. <br />4. So who finally tops the ladder if we go by your logic ?<br /><br />My dear, supremacy is by competence and caliber and not nuisance value. If some IAS/IPS misbehaved audaciaouly with an IRS and got away, it means only one thing - chance. On another day, the consequences may be beyond narration.<br />So lets not assess the character of a service by a couple of isolated examples. <br />This way even I can cite am example of an IAS couple ruthlessly raided and exposed in a city of Madgya Pradesh. Does that mean all IAS are corrupt only ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-47907776434365968362015-10-30T01:53:29.159+05:302015-10-30T01:53:29.159+05:30This is because my dear there is much more in deli...This is because my dear there is much more in delivering public service than knowledge of accounts. According to your logic all General Managers of big corporates should be recruited in IAS and made collectors straightaway. I wishbitbwas that simpleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-85561140606724101792015-10-30T01:38:11.666+05:302015-10-30T01:38:11.666+05:30Mr Anonymous, who has beaten whom? He he. In CSE ?...Mr Anonymous, who has beaten whom? He he. In CSE ? What about the members of other services who beat the IAS fellows in Foundation Course exams thatvtoo in thwir own academy at Mussuorie ? What about Gold medalist of FC from other services ? <br />And don't you talk of beating. IRS have the guts to raid those fellows fornqhom youbleave your chair in fear of protocol. So kindly keep your thoughts gentle and rational and see if some medication can help. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-69645862203463266242015-10-30T01:29:47.590+05:302015-10-30T01:29:47.590+05:30If there is any feeling of a separate class in the...If there is any feeling of a separate class in the minds of DRs from PRs, its only bcz of the conduct of PRs. Every strike, every agitation and evey nuisance the PRs cause infuses a feeling of separation as a class in the minds of DRs. So its not DRs to blame, PRs should introspect. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-30020210611989388472015-10-30T01:07:43.324+05:302015-10-30T01:07:43.324+05:30Oh yes. Good names such as the IAS people have don...Oh yes. Good names such as the IAS people have done in mammoth scams of this country ..? <br />And your assumptuous guessworks such 'if this happens, that will go for a toss' etc only reveal your haste in arriving at your favourite conclusion. Without giving a chance to an IRS in policy making, you are confusing thatnpolicy making will go for a toss..? And the policy making of IAS ? Should I ask from the families of suicidal farmers ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-14319243176673924822015-10-30T01:01:30.582+05:302015-10-30T01:01:30.582+05:30"Elite Service". Ha ha ha.
Someone told..."Elite Service". Ha ha ha. <br />Someone told.me that an IAS at the top level of a state wasseen correcting a misfit sandle in Ex CM's foot at an airport. So much for eliteness ....!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-2311121959206206752015-10-30T00:57:58.550+05:302015-10-30T00:57:58.550+05:30Your post reveals only one thing- you are yet to m...Your post reveals only one thing- you are yet to meet an IRS in true sense. And your opening lines tell why you did not have such an occasion. Change your perspective and then assessee a service or its officers. Its not hidden from the World that no financial evasions happen without proper guidance of CAs etc. So lets better keep the lesson of 'professionalism' of CAs apart. If you find IRS unprofessional and power hungry, how u guarantee CAs etc won't become money hungry?<br />That's no solution. And your post is even otherwise irrelevant to the author's post. He is raising a question of inter-service parity and not whether IAS/IRS are power hungry or not. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-47668643945884086812015-10-30T00:43:22.790+05:302015-10-30T00:43:22.790+05:30Then all MBA passouts should be heading then"...Then all MBA passouts should be heading then"generalist" posts. Does as IAS have an exposure to public administration before training ? Do IAS have better 'generalist' & 'managerial' capabilities than an IIM graduate ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-91504509961744969692015-10-30T00:39:39.979+05:302015-10-30T00:39:39.979+05:30"Generally all IAS are bold". Such as th..."Generally all IAS are bold". Such as the one/who corrected a wrongly fit sandle in the feet of a Ex Chief Minister of a state on an airport ?<br /><br />My understanding tells me that the IRS conduct BOLD raids even in the houses of those for whom IAS and IPS leave their chair in protocol. <br />Boldness is a personal attribute not organisational. <br />May be you have not met enough IRS or IFS or IPoS etc before finalising the ultimately precise data of " 99.99%"..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-42658214798943680932015-10-30T00:28:59.398+05:302015-10-30T00:28:59.398+05:30Most if not all aspirants fill up choices based on...Most if not all aspirants fill up choices based on their perception. The same propagated perception which is being challenged by the author here. Uniformed choices made in the past cannot be taken to estoppel an informed demand. And the after all, can choices of uninformed candidates be a criteria of how good it superior a service is ? That would an irrational line of debate in my humble opinion. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-70422690307415460882015-10-10T16:22:35.518+05:302015-10-10T16:22:35.518+05:30A well written article. IRS surely needs to be res...A well written article. IRS surely needs to be restructured but why is IAS painted as the villain of the piece?<br />Further, there seems to be a genuine misunderstanding that IAS officers are not involved in tax collection. VAT collection in bigger states like Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu, Gujarat, Karnataka, UP exceeds Rs. 50,000 crore annually. Generally 2-4 IAS officers look after VAT collection in a state. For a comparable Income Tax collection, more than 100 IRS officers are engaged. In addition, there are taxes like Stamp Duty, Entertainment, Luxury Tax.The fact is almost 45% of tax revenues in India are collected by States. Not even 10% of IAS officers i.e less than 500 IAS officers are engaged in collecting such a huge amount. In contrast to this, the entire cadre of IRS and IC&CES running into many thousands collects the balance for GoI. <br />So please do not unnecessarily pull down IAS. They may well deserve the leadership role.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-20689500175261342062015-09-21T15:58:13.493+05:302015-09-21T15:58:13.493+05:30very well said.IAS has bloated egos .btw one of my...very well said.IAS has bloated egos .btw one of my parent is an IAS.GKK.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16076579350916118250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-90613621802182912462015-08-03T22:21:11.871+05:302015-08-03T22:21:11.871+05:30Good pointGood pointAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-598984656521614102015-03-28T00:58:52.790+05:302015-03-28T00:58:52.790+05:30seems u r fake. ias r not extraordinary it is an o...seems u r fake. ias r not extraordinary it is an open truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-10056700022978462842015-01-05T13:56:37.179+05:302015-01-05T13:56:37.179+05:30very good valid thought which all officers should ...very good valid thought which all officers should sought for with unity throughout.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-82304416221693698082015-01-03T23:22:15.019+05:302015-01-03T23:22:15.019+05:30The comment by Satya Prasanth that "all of th...The comment by Satya Prasanth that "all of the toppers from 2005 to 2012 are not from the IAS" is factually incorrect. I request the Boi team to vet such information before publishing it. In fact all the toppers since 2002 have joined the IAS. Before that period, one or two joined the Indian foreign service. Please refer to this page:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UPSC_Civil_Services_Toppers<br />Each entry on that table is cited by a news source.<br /><br />In fact, I believe that the I AS should be recruited through a different examination and given higher payscales and ranks to ensure that there is a generalist, policymaking, highly capable layer at tthe top for better inter ministerial coordination. This has been the PMs focus thus far to break down the walls between departments and I believe he should continue.thisidisminehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13679911570943118492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-63045515266795230552014-12-11T21:19:52.914+05:302014-12-11T21:19:52.914+05:30Let us do away with these IAS, IRS culture left be...Let us do away with these IAS, IRS culture left behind by British colonization. All initial recruitment shud be at inspector level....promotions shud strictly be based on competence....integrity....intelligence and performance which shud be assessed using a well placed mechanism of departmental competitive exams etc and on public feed back etc....then....all these problems will end and a better tomorow will come....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-53642351920271421662014-11-20T12:23:49.219+05:302014-11-20T12:23:49.219+05:30The problem under discussion is not the status of ...The problem under discussion is not the status of IAS per-se. The problem is that the IAS has grown into an unaccountable monster. If same unfettered powers are given to non IAS, they are also not likely to perform any better. I am a non IAS AIS officer. In my opinion, the disgrace for IAS is because they are behaving like blind persons distributing alms to their own. We should not waste our energy fighting for the IAS turf rather we should strive and convince the political executive to reform the DoPT for ensuring that the service matters of IAS including their empanelment and deputations appointments should not be proposed or decided by the IAS themselves. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-22501993362410983642014-10-10T00:17:46.324+05:302014-10-10T00:17:46.324+05:30Dont talk nonsense, people have become IRS by cram...Dont talk nonsense, people have become IRS by cramming history and sanskrit as optional subjects, they are the people who have nightmares at the thought of looking at accounts and maths. Most of the direct IRS afe not able to qualify the SSC exam for inspector because it tests, maths and english as main subjects. So stop claiming that you have some kind of officer like attitude which the others ( read inspectors) don't have. Its the same double standard that IAS lobby has applied to u , treating u as second rate officers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7809414561174316144.post-34069924858977054682014-08-01T16:14:30.022+05:302014-08-01T16:14:30.022+05:30Satya is a frustrated person unable to become IASSatya is a frustrated person unable to become IASD B Aminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135448850977573882noreply@blogger.com